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i agree with sara on the whole street heroes/ super heroes thing. This is gonna sound really nerdy but i had a dream about this rpg page and it was a 2 parter. first part was that certain super heroes switched spots. Where the villians became the good guys and the bad guys were good. Example Spiderman=Bad Carnage=Good, Superman=Bad Darkseid=Good, ect., ect.

Part 2 was a grand scale event where the two universes combined. DC and Marvel and had a massive free for all. Having something cool like Galactus taking on the Anti-Monitor. Or Sentry taking on Superman. Big showdowns like that.

This eliminates the problems of staying in character because the characters themselves are introduces to a completely new environment and so on. Im sure someone could come up with rules to the system or try to eliminate any loop holes that people could use.

Thats just my thoughts. And i also like the gang war thing. That could work nicely

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xblue822x wrote:

im not doing the skrull thing...just saying

i just dont think that specific charcters of mine
Storm
Beast
Magneto
would involve themselves in gangs...

It's not "gangs", per se.
It's like... different teams.
Different factions.
Fighting it out for control of Genosha.
Think (somewhat) Civil War, mutant-style, with more than two sides; more than two views.
Well... hopefully more than two. It can work with two, though.

Magneto wouldn't be against such a thing... It's what's been going on for... what seems like forever.
The X-Men vs. the Brotherhood.
Xavier's ideals vs. Magneto's.
Only now, they're finally going all out.

If you completely object to the idea, though, then we'll come up with something else.
I'm not entirely opposed to the segregation idea, so that could work, but we'd need a leader crazy enough to do something like that.
(No, Mystique's in one of her "OHMIGOD, ROGUE... I LOVE YOU." moods, so she wouldn't do that. 'Cause it'd make Rogue MAD.)
I wouldn't put it past APOCALYPSE to do something like that, though... but I doubt any of us would be able to characterize him for shit.
Then, I guess the X-Men would rise up to oppose them, etcetera, etcetera...
Bam, we have our first storyline. xD

XKingOfHeartsX wrote:

This eliminates the problems of staying in character because the characters themselves are introduces to a completely new environment and so on. Im sure someone could come up with rules to the system or try to eliminate any loop holes that people could use.

First, I'm going to remind you that this is planning for "Genosha and Marvel Universe RPGs". Nowhere in the title does it say "DC".

Second, no, that doesn't eliminate the need to be "in-character" because there are fundamentals about every character that always remain intact, no matter what. Seeing how characters would act in such a situation would not "eliminate" the need to keep people in-character, but it would make it even harder, as we'd have to base their reactions around their previous instances. Characters always have their distinct "voice".

My problem with people not keeping characters in-character (which only applies to people here with certain characters, including my depictions of Layla, Gert, the Pride, Phoebe and the other Cuckoos, etcetera) was that these distinct voices of theirs were LOST. The way that they normally acted in the RPG... was nothing near the way they acted in the actual comics.

Even so, "elminating the need for characterization" would not FIX this problem. Because I'm sure that I'm not the only person on this site who wants to be a comic book writer one day. Darlings, characterization is an INTEGRAL part of writing. If you cannot keep your characters in-character, then you're going to be bashed by reviewers and fans all over the comic book spectrum.

There was also the problem of people choosing characters "just because" (Well... I have quite a few examples of that from me... xD Layla, Gert, Tabby, Jen, Nico, Kiden, Mockingbird, Typhoid Mary...) caused them to be dropped shortly after they were chosen because - since they were chosen "just because" - they had no true purpose in the grand scheme of things. The characters just wound up not fitting... Etcetera, etcetera...


-- Edited by Sara on Saturday 8th of August 2009 10:53:04 PM

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Well I can definitely see Gambit as one of the leaders if Eric woould still role play as the character. I might see storm being a leader, but only Bloodstorm.  Saretooth could probably be a leader too, I would gladly volunteer for the role. Just spitballin' here.

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yea ur right sara i dont dissagree with anything that u were saying, and i made that statement in regards to my 2 ideas. but im completely on board with the whole gang/ teams idea. And i agree with Pdub on the whole Gambit idea considering he is a legit mobster and knows how the whole system works or running that type of group/empire. The more i think of this thing i keep thinking of the movie "Gangs Of New York" Just with a sci-fi twist. In theory if we work this thing out. Set up territories where each group would be from. Backstabbing and alliances to sway the power of one group to another.

also we could have a mediator, someone to set the rules of gang war. Anyone who breaks the rules will be punished by this group of mediators. With that comes the ability to have some gang members have relations to the mediators allowing them to break the rules and then having their relation turn a blind eye towards it. Throw in a good love story, alot of hate and anger, and something worth fighting for then u get one kickass rpg.

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HOW would there be mediators, Eric?

Darling.
This is AN ALL-OUT FIGHT FOR CONTROL OF GENOSHA.
This isn't a football game; this is war, to say it bluntly.
It's a fight; a battle.
Mediators?
There are no mediators in war; there's nobody who's going to bail you out if you get careless, your arm gets blown up, and you're left bleeding to death.
There's nobody who's going to say, "No, you're NOT allowed to shoot people in the head."
And there's nobody who's going to put someone in the penalty box for stabbing you in the back... literally.

This is a bunch of mutants fighting it out for control of a country.

This is not a "gang war" in the sense of gangs... or the mafia, either.
This is "a territorial dispute", if anything.
And there are FACTIONS that FORM to support a particular person who wants to RULE GENOSHA.
Factions; teams; armies.
Whatever you want to call them.

THIS is what I have been trying to say this whole time; THAT is what I'm suggesting.

Gambit wouldn't be a leader in the sense of him having his own faction... Gambit can't rule a country.
Don't try to kid yourselves.
He's more of a field leader, like how Rogue is a field leader.

The types of people who would have their own factions... would be Storm, Emma, Magneto, Apocalypse, Selene, Sebastian Shaw (but Emma killed him), Viper (If she was Madame Hydra, she's dead...), Sinister (but he's dead again)... Heck, I could even see Cyclops trying to be one, but I think he's dead in our continuity.
Those types.
LEADERS.
People who can lead countries; who have ambitions and ideals.



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alright i get it, ill just shut up and let u guys decide what is best.

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XKingOfHeartsX wrote:

yea ur right sara i dont dissagree with anything that u were saying, and i made that statement in regards to my 2 ideas. but im completely on board with the whole gang/ teams idea. And i agree with Pdub on the whole Gambit idea considering he is a legit mobster and knows how the whole system works or running that type of group/empire. The more i think of this thing i keep thinking of the movie "Gangs Of New York" Just with a sci-fi twist. In theory if we work this thing out. Set up territories where each group would be from. Backstabbing and alliances to sway the power of one group to another.

Darling, the mediator thing was the only part that I completely hated.

I liked the above, for the most part.
Like, each little faction has their own portion of Genosha that they control.
It's...
Have any of you guys ever played Dynasty Warriors: Empires or Samurai Warriors: Empires?
It's like that.

Every faction has their own territory, which they run/govern, etcetera... but the goal is to conquer all of the other territories and gain control of all of Genosha. In the process, they make and break alliances, etcetera.
Basically what Eric said towards the end.

I think that's the best way to sum it all up.

And we still need to work with Marvel Universe.

Marvel Universe:

Mutant-wise... Well, there's this nice little priest from Runaways named Father Lantom, who isn't crazy, like Stryker.
He has this church in New York City.
In Runaways, he aided and kept Cloak hidden, when he was thought to be the man who had put Dagger in the hospital.

I think we can do something along those lines, like... he keeps mutants hidden from the government in the church basement or something? lol.
It's a bit out there, but I think it could work.
And - since he and Dagger are friends - she'd be there, too.

Mutant-hunting-wise... Mutant-hunting-wise, I think we should use the Purifiers. Not Stryker - Illyana killed him (Wow, we killed a lot of people...) - but the Purifiers as a whole.
And they're the people that the government's using to hunt down fugitive mutants for them, only - instead of sending them out of the country, like they should - the Purifiers prefer to simply kill them.
And - of course - when things get tough, they're going to hire Elektra.

And then we have Dagger and Father Lantom and the church...
They're not going to stay hidden forever.
The Purifiers will find them eventually.

And then we have Sniper Chick... I have an opening storyline for Dagger and Sniper Chick, but I'm not giving away details.

I've also been tossing around the idea of using Billy Kaplan (Wiccan from Young Avengers), only his parents are not as... accepting as they are in the normal comics...

Does anyone object to any of this?


-- Edited by Sara on Sunday 9th of August 2009 08:05:16 PM

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i just dont understand why the factions are fighting

for control?
whats the underlying reason.....were jusy going to have mutants fight for land?

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Yes, for control.
For who will rule Genosha, with each faction representing a particular potential ruler.
Whose ideals will be the ideals taught in the mutant schools, whose laws will become the mutant laws...
Now that all of the mutants have been sent there, everything's a complete and utter mess.
And - obviously - all of the mutants aren't just going to let someone say, "I'm ruler. You have to follow me now."
No... They're going to fight it out.


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"Really? That's INANE. Most people in life don't HAVE great power, and the few that do are almost NEVER responsible with it. The people who have the greatest responsibility are the kids with NO POWER because we're the ones who have to keep everybody else in check." - Gertrude Yorkes, Runaways (vol. 2) #11
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OKAY.
I now oppose the territorial dispute scenario.
Because Eric pointed something out to me that I was also pondering:
Well, it's war...
People have to DIE.
And how - exactly - would we signify the conquering of a territory?
Would Rogue just walk in there and go, "Hey, ya'll... I reckon your territory's conquered now? Or somethin' like that?"

So I have another proposal.
Feel free to say "Nay, Sara... I don't really like this idea."

Well, it would involve a slightly bigger time skip (probably closer to a year), so we can skip through all the territorial dispute stuff.
Genosha is now an established country again.
With a ruler.
And for that ruler - this is going to sound a tad bit ODD - I suggest... the Scarlet Witch.
Yes, she went crazy... but she's sane again in our continuity, and she did (SPOILERS) - essentially - become leader of Genosha at the end of Wolverine and the X-Men.
So I think it's a nice fit.

The way she would work out is that whoever is controlling the storyline would be in control of the Witch.

But there's a catch:

There's a portion of Genosha - I'd say around 1/4 of it or less - where the Scarlet Witch has no authority.
It's not that she AGREED that she'd have no authority or anything like that; it's just that she doesn't.
It's a section of Genosha that's protected by the "evil" mutants.
Their leader... I'm not sure who their leader would be, exactly.
I think Selene would be a nice choice, but that's just me.
And it's from this territory that the villains wreak havoc.
It's THEIR goals to gain control of Genosha, and so - every once in awhile - they bomb cities, etcetera.

Now, in this case, I think the X-Men would act like the peace-keepers of Genosha...
More along the X.S.E. police force thing that Claremont tried to have going on during his latest Uncanny run.

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"Really? That's INANE. Most people in life don't HAVE great power, and the few that do are almost NEVER responsible with it. The people who have the greatest responsibility are the kids with NO POWER because we're the ones who have to keep everybody else in check." - Gertrude Yorkes, Runaways (vol. 2) #11
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Darlings - and this is important - I need you to post.
Even if it's a simple, "I really don't like that idea."
I need to know what you think.
Hence the thread.

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"Really? That's INANE. Most people in life don't HAVE great power, and the few that do are almost NEVER responsible with it. The people who have the greatest responsibility are the kids with NO POWER because we're the ones who have to keep everybody else in check." - Gertrude Yorkes, Runaways (vol. 2) #11
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Its not that i dont like it, its just it would be waaay to complicated to we sorted it all out.

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Dear, did you read my previous post?
The one about skipping the fighting and the Scarlet Witch as ruler and all that fun stuff?


-- Edited by Sara on Monday 10th of August 2009 11:08:21 PM

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"Really? That's INANE. Most people in life don't HAVE great power, and the few that do are almost NEVER responsible with it. The people who have the greatest responsibility are the kids with NO POWER because we're the ones who have to keep everybody else in check." - Gertrude Yorkes, Runaways (vol. 2) #11
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I dunno it just seems to along the lines of the comics sorta. Not saying that just because my idea was downed.

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I like that idea. But are we talking about the same Scarlet Witch that depowered most mutants and went crazy cause Mephisto did something with her kid? (if i remembered that correctly)

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